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		<title>By: tirta</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/premature-death-cisco-vpn-client-end-of-life/comment-page-1/#comment-4558</link>
		<dc:creator>tirta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So is there any alternative beside using the cisco vpn anyconnect ? Just wondering since cisco vpn anyconnect is based on openvpn, so can openvpn be used to connect ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is there any alternative beside using the cisco vpn anyconnect ? Just wondering since cisco vpn anyconnect is based on openvpn, so can openvpn be used to connect ?</p>
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		<title>By: Cisco releases BETA IPSec VPN Client for Windows 7 &#124; My Etherealmind</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/premature-death-cisco-vpn-client-end-of-life/comment-page-1/#comment-4076</link>
		<dc:creator>Cisco releases BETA IPSec VPN Client for Windows 7 &#124; My Etherealmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a recent rant about being charged for Cisco VPN Client licenses I poin­ted out that the Cisco IPSec VPN cli­ent was end [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] a recent rant about being charged for Cisco VPN Client licenses I poin­ted out that the Cisco IPSec VPN cli­ent was end […]</p>
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		<title>By: ForcedToOtherVendor</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/premature-death-cisco-vpn-client-end-of-life/comment-page-1/#comment-4073</link>
		<dc:creator>ForcedToOtherVendor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We may be a corner-case in the marketing strategy, but we support a hundred different customers over inexpensive 8xx series devices (couple different models.)  We also have other VPN&#039;s for support and access but the customer support network is the primary problem with the effective end-of-life of the Cisco VPN Client.  

What has not been mentioned in this dialogue to this point is that the router performance capabilities using the Cisco VPN Client can be a factor of 5 .  The 871 will support 10 VPN tunnels.  It will support only 2 SSL VPN tunnels.  The 1800 supports 50 IPsec or 25 SSL.  The relationship carries through the entire product line.  

We have a fully-functional, multi-point VPN architecture deployed and in use by well over 1000 support staff.  How could how incurring the costs of design, licensing, hardware, deployment, support and maintenance be justified?  

To make the situation worse, Cisco has not been open with their plans despite two years of asking about 64 bit windows support in the existing VPN client.  Our parent company already wanted us to dump the Cisco solution.  Unfortunately, I&#039;m out of good answers as to why we should not just do so.  Cisco had gotten pretty good about sufficient end-of-life announcements.  They really blew this one though.

The irony is that Cisco had one of the most flexible IPSEC implementations available but they apparently are going to abandon it to become a 3rd rate SSL VPN vendor.  

See: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps6537/ps6586/ps6635/ps7180/prod_brochure09186a00801f0a72.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We may be a corner-case in the marketing strategy, but we support a hundred different customers over inexpensive 8xx series devices (couple different models.)  We also have other VPN’s for support and access but the customer support network is the primary problem with the effective end-of-life of the Cisco VPN Client.  </p>
<p>What has not been mentioned in this dialogue to this point is that the router performance capabilities using the Cisco VPN Client can be a factor of 5 .  The 871 will support 10 VPN tunnels.  It will support only 2 SSL VPN tunnels.  The 1800 supports 50 IPsec or 25 SSL.  The relationship carries through the entire product line.  </p>
<p>We have a fully-functional, multi-point VPN architecture deployed and in use by well over 1000 support staff.  How could how incurring the costs of design, licensing, hardware, deployment, support and maintenance be justified?  </p>
<p>To make the situation worse, Cisco has not been open with their plans despite two years of asking about 64 bit windows support in the existing VPN client.  Our parent company already wanted us to dump the Cisco solution.  Unfortunately, I’m out of good answers as to why we should not just do so.  Cisco had gotten pretty good about sufficient end-of-life announcements.  They really blew this one though.</p>
<p>The irony is that Cisco had one of the most flexible IPSEC implementations available but they apparently are going to abandon it to become a 3rd rate SSL VPN vendor.  </p>
<p>See: <a href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps6537/ps6586/ps6635/ps7180/prod_brochure09186a00801f0a72.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps6537/ps6586/ps6635/ps7180/prod_brochure09186a00801f0a72.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Johnrojas1</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/premature-death-cisco-vpn-client-end-of-life/comment-page-1/#comment-3666</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnrojas1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cisco ANYConnect Essentials VPN Client is not the same as Cisco SSL VPN Premium, it is an IPSEC / SSL client that costs less. We implemented it a few week ago and it cost less than $200 for up to 250 users.
The following link explains the differences: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/vpndevc/ps6032/ps6094/ps6120/data_sheet_c78-527494.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cisco ANYConnect Essentials VPN Client is not the same as Cisco SSL VPN Premium, it is an IPSEC / SSL client that costs less. We implemented it a few week ago and it cost less than $200 for up to 250 users.<br />
The following link explains the differences: <a href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/vpndevc/ps6032/ps6094/ps6120/data_sheet_c78-527494.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/vpndevc/ps6032/ps6094/ps6120/data_sheet_c78-527494.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/premature-death-cisco-vpn-client-end-of-life/comment-page-1/#comment-3519</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you name another company other than cisco who gives away (Yes FREE) a vpn client and then provides 24 x 7 techincal support?

So since when does it make sense for a company to sink all that money into developing a client that not only are they not getting paid to develop but also losing even more money in the support of the client that they keep doing development work on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you name another company other than cisco who gives away (Yes FREE) a vpn client and then provides 24 x 7 techincal support?</p>
<p>So since when does it make sense for a company to sink all that money into developing a client that not only are they not getting paid to develop but also losing even more money in the support of the client that they keep doing development work on?</p>
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		<title>By: Cisco VPN Client Support</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/premature-death-cisco-vpn-client-end-of-life/comment-page-1/#comment-3500</link>
		<dc:creator>Cisco VPN Client Support</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, if you check out CDW for AnyConnect licenses, you will notice that a 25 concurrent user connection license is $69.99 and the 10,000 concurrent user connection license is $333.99. Not quite $125 per user. :)

But on a more important note, not all is lost for the IPSec client, we have posted a BETA Cisco VPN Client &quot;IPSec&quot; for Windows 7, Version 5.0.06.0100 can now be gotten from cisco.com.

If you have any problems, email cvc-beta(at)cisco(dot)com and let us know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, if you check out CDW for AnyConnect licenses, you will notice that a 25 concurrent user connection license is $69.99 and the 10,000 concurrent user connection license is $333.99. Not quite $125 per user. <img src='http://etherealmind.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But on a more important note, not all is lost for the IPSec client, we have posted a BETA Cisco VPN Client “IPSec” for Windows 7, Version 5.0.06.0100 can now be gotten from cisco.com.</p>
<p>If you have any problems, email cvc-beta(at)cisco(dot)com and let us know.</p>
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		<title>By: BTX</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/premature-death-cisco-vpn-client-end-of-life/comment-page-1/#comment-3373</link>
		<dc:creator>BTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 03:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are really assuming a lot that Cisco is not going to support IPSec in Anyconnect in the near future.       A bigger font doesn&#039;t make your assumption any more true.

IPSec support in Anyconnect has not been needed when there has been a perfectly functional IPSec client available.  IPSec isn&#039;t just going to disappear and Cisco engineers and TME&#039;s aren&#039;t stupid.  *cough*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are really assuming a lot that Cisco is not going to support IPSec in Anyconnect in the near future.       A bigger font doesn’t make your assumption any more true.</p>
<p>IPSec support in Anyconnect has not been needed when there has been a perfectly functional IPSec client available.  IPSec isn’t just going to disappear and Cisco engineers and TME’s aren’t stupid.  *cough*</p>
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		<title>By: VPN Haus</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/premature-death-cisco-vpn-client-end-of-life/comment-page-1/#comment-2968</link>
		<dc:creator>VPN Haus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading from the top (article first, then all the comments), the problem here is not one or two disgruntled IPSec users being abandoned by Cisco that can use a free-ware client .... this is a painful enterprise issue now.  

YES, there is cause for both IPSec and SSL to coexist. For IPSec use, you need central policy control / management / NAC ‘patdowns’ over ALL clients, including 64-bit VPN clients. With Cisco out of the picture, the market is free for focused and mature providers to step in, like Andrew mentioned, NCP is the one I am familiar with. More info here:

http://vpnhaus.wordpress.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading from the top (article first, then all the comments), the problem here is not one or two disgruntled IPSec users being abandoned by Cisco that can use a free-ware client .… this is a painful enterprise issue now.  </p>
<p>YES, there is cause for both IPSec and SSL to coexist. For IPSec use, you need central policy control / management / NAC ‘patdowns’ over ALL clients, including 64-bit VPN clients. With Cisco out of the picture, the market is free for focused and mature providers to step in, like Andrew mentioned, NCP is the one I am familiar with. More info here:</p>
<p><a href="http://vpnhaus.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://vpnhaus.wordpress.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg Ferro</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/premature-death-cisco-vpn-client-end-of-life/comment-page-1/#comment-2866</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Ferro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At time of writing, I wasn&#039;t aware of the Essentials license. That said, it&#039;s still a ripoff to have to pay for VPN when it was free before. 

I find the no client SSL VPN to be worthless. It only suits certain specific software, its painful to configure and even worse to train staff so they know how to support it. Using ACS to set the parameters is a complete nightmare. 

IPSec is simple to use, has limited choices which makes it easy to support. It used very widely and worth keeping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At time of writing, I wasn’t aware of the Essentials license. That said, it’s still a ripoff to have to pay for VPN when it was free before. </p>
<p>I find the no client SSL VPN to be worthless. It only suits certain specific software, its painful to configure and even worse to train staff so they know how to support it. Using ACS to set the parameters is a complete nightmare. </p>
<p>IPSec is simple to use, has limited choices which makes it easy to support. It used very widely and worth keeping.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Ferro</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/premature-death-cisco-vpn-client-end-of-life/comment-page-1/#comment-2864</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Ferro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thankyou. Confirmation wis good to know. I can use this in my own networks knowing that other people have tested it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou. Confirmation wis good to know. I can use this in my own networks knowing that other people have tested it.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Ferro</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/premature-death-cisco-vpn-client-end-of-life/comment-page-1/#comment-2863</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Ferro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not much of a choice is it. Why pay for it when I had it for free before ? 

(Yes, I know the answer is: Because the competition is charging for it, so can we. It&#039;s a rhetorical question.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not much of a choice is it. Why pay for it when I had it for free before ? </p>
<p>(Yes, I know the answer is: Because the competition is charging for it, so can we. It’s a rhetorical question.)</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Ferro</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/premature-death-cisco-vpn-client-end-of-life/comment-page-1/#comment-2862</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Ferro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct that the AnyConnect client is a complete rewrite. My question is why doesn&#039;t Cisco rewrite the IPSec client ? Why force us to use SSL only by stopping the IPSec client ? 

I want choice or, at least, an explanation. Why should we not use IPSec when it has worked so well for the last five years ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct that the AnyConnect client is a complete rewrite. My question is why doesn’t Cisco rewrite the IPSec client ? Why force us to use SSL only by stopping the IPSec client ? </p>
<p>I want choice or, at least, an explanation. Why should we not use IPSec when it has worked so well for the last five years ?</p>
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		<title>By: MiDiMaN</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/premature-death-cisco-vpn-client-end-of-life/comment-page-1/#comment-2855</link>
		<dc:creator>MiDiMaN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 01:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just tried this free Shrew IPsec VPN client, it works well in vista x64 and win 7 RC x64. I was also able to import a cisco .pcf directly into shrew. Just select the pcf file and import.

http://www.shrew.net/software

Shrew has supports for windows, linux and BSD

There is no need to buy NCP VPN client or TheGreenBow VPN client.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just tried this free Shrew IPsec VPN client, it works well in vista x64 and win 7 RC x64. I was also able to import a cisco .pcf directly into shrew. Just select the pcf file and import.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.shrew.net/software" rel="nofollow">http://www.shrew.net/software</a></p>
<p>Shrew has supports for windows, linux and BSD</p>
<p>There is no need to buy NCP VPN client or TheGreenBow VPN client.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/premature-death-cisco-vpn-client-end-of-life/comment-page-1/#comment-2841</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 03:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do have a choice: Pay cisco for the SSL upgrade (if your device supports it), or pay for a new client...

http://www.ncp-e.com/en/solutions/vpn-products/secure-entry-client.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do have a choice: Pay cisco for the SSL upgrade (if your device supports it), or pay for a new client…</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncp-e.com/en/solutions/vpn-products/secure-entry-client.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncp-e.com/en/solutions/vpn-products/secure-entry-client.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Magno</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/premature-death-cisco-vpn-client-end-of-life/comment-page-1/#comment-2836</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Magno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Cisco AnyConnect client is far superior to the crappy IPSec client.  From my testing on Vista the client is faster when running DTLS than the IPSec one.  The new essenstials license makes this a no brainer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Cisco AnyConnect client is far superior to the crappy IPSec client.  From my testing on Vista the client is faster when running DTLS than the IPSec one.  The new essenstials license makes this a no brainer.</p>
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