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		<title>By: Opinion:Certification Matters -Part 2- Knowledge or Experience - Which is more valuable ? &#124; My Etherealmind</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/opinion-why-certification-matters-experience-less-so/comment-page-1/#comment-4741</link>
		<dc:creator>Opinion:Certification Matters -Part 2- Knowledge or Experience - Which is more valuable ? &#124; My Etherealmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] topic and worth put­ting some ideas down here and hav­ing a dis­cus­sion.  In my first post Opinion: Certification Matters — Experience Less So — Part 1 I star­ted a series of posts about cer­ti­fic­a­tion. In the com­ments on the post, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] topic and worth put­ting some ideas down here and hav­ing a dis­cus­sion.  In my first post Opinion: Certification Matters — Experience Less So — Part 1 I star­ted a series of posts about cer­ti­fic­a­tion. In the com­ments on the post, […]</p>
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		<title>By: Opinion:Certification Matters - Exams are not relevant to Real Life - Part 4 &#124; My Etherealmind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Opinion:Certification Matters - Exams are not relevant to Real Life - Part 4 &#124; My Etherealmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Certification Matters, Experiences Less So — Part 1 Certification Matters — Knowledge or Experience Which is more valu­able ? Part 2 Certification Matters — Only you can do the Study Part 3 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Opinion:Certification Matters- Only you can do the study - Part 3 &#124; My Etherealmind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Opinion:Certification Matters- Only you can do the study - Part 3 &#124; My Etherealmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One Certification Matters — Experience Less So of this art­icle can be [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Greg Ferro</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/opinion-why-certification-matters-experience-less-so/comment-page-1/#comment-2273</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Ferro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recruiters understand the job market, they don&#039;t understand the actual jobs themselves. Remember recruiters are just outsourced functions of the HR department. On this basis, you should take the time to teach them, and then you will get a better response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recruiters understand the job market, they don’t understand the actual jobs themselves. Remember recruiters are just outsourced functions of the HR department. On this basis, you should take the time to teach them, and then you will get a better response.</p>
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		<title>By: CCIEDownunder</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/opinion-why-certification-matters-experience-less-so/comment-page-1/#comment-2272</link>
		<dc:creator>CCIEDownunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea to write about this. I wish recruiters would think the way you do :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea to write about this. I wish recruiters would think the way you do <img src='http://etherealmind.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Ferro</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/opinion-why-certification-matters-experience-less-so/comment-page-1/#comment-1927</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Ferro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thankyou very much. Given that I am part of a group of hihgly intellectual people, I forget that not everyone regards knowledge as exciting. 

Good point about learning being fin and exciting too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou very much. Given that I am part of a group of hihgly intellectual people, I forget that not everyone regards knowledge as exciting. </p>
<p>Good point about learning being fin and exciting too.</p>
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		<title>By: mewcomm</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/opinion-why-certification-matters-experience-less-so/comment-page-1/#comment-1919</link>
		<dc:creator>mewcomm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply the best most reasoned knowledge worker validation post I&#039;ve ever read.

Anti-intellectualism is wide spread and growing in the U.S. -- Certifications of any kind are usually opposed, often ridiculed and seldom embraced. And I am such a Pollyanna....I&#039;m always surprised at the bitter rhetoric of the opponents!

Is not learning fun? Satisfying? Empowering? To many it is a burden and to be avoided.  And in a globlaized information economy those who don&#039;t learn are irrelevant.

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply the best most reasoned knowledge worker validation post I’ve ever read.</p>
<p>Anti-intellectualism is wide spread and growing in the U.S. — Certifications of any kind are usually opposed, often ridiculed and seldom embraced. And I am such a Pollyanna.…I’m always surprised at the bitter rhetoric of the opponents!</p>
<p>Is not learning fun? Satisfying? Empowering? To many it is a burden and to be avoided.  And in a globlaized information economy those who don’t learn are irrelevant.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Opinion:Certification Matters - Exams are not relevant to Real Life - Part 4 &#124; My Etherealmind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Opinion:Certification Matters - Exams are not relevant to Real Life - Part 4 &#124; My Etherealmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Certification Matters, Experiences Less So - Part 1 Certification Matters - Knowledge or Experience Which is more valuable ? Part 2 Certification Matters - Only you can do the Study Part 3 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dedan</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/opinion-why-certification-matters-experience-less-so/comment-page-1/#comment-1584</link>
		<dc:creator>Dedan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not preaching about the value of the paper no do I feel like a sucker for anything. I accept the importance of experience and I don&#039;t feel like I was cheated because another person was hired.  But basing everything on experience basically says that if a person hasn&#039;t done something for a couple of years they can&#039;t do it.  I don&#039;t think the author was saying experience was worthless, only that there&#039;s no way to really tell what someone&#039;s experience level is without interviewing them which for him was too time consuming considering his experiences with it.

As far as better things to do than study and not wanting to spend the money, why go to college?  Way more time and more money and no experience.  So college graduates are suckers too?

No one that I know who has a CCIE feels like they were suckered nor do the salaries they get paid support the idea that they are.  I do feel that if you have equivalent experience you have the upper hand.  Your job reinforces what you have to know and if you supplement it with some time and commitment you have the best of both worlds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not preaching about the value of the paper no do I feel like a sucker for anything. I accept the importance of experience and I don’t feel like I was cheated because another person was hired.  But basing everything on experience basically says that if a person hasn’t done something for a couple of years they can’t do it.  I don’t think the author was saying experience was worthless, only that there’s no way to really tell what someone’s experience level is without interviewing them which for him was too time consuming considering his experiences with it.</p>
<p>As far as better things to do than study and not wanting to spend the money, why go to college?  Way more time and more money and no experience.  So college graduates are suckers too?</p>
<p>No one that I know who has a CCIE feels like they were suckered nor do the salaries they get paid support the idea that they are.  I do feel that if you have equivalent experience you have the upper hand.  Your job reinforces what you have to know and if you supplement it with some time and commitment you have the best of both worlds.</p>
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		<title>By: Opinion:Certification Matters- Only you can do the study - Part 3 &#124; My Etherealmind</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/opinion-why-certification-matters-experience-less-so/comment-page-1/#comment-1576</link>
		<dc:creator>Opinion:Certification Matters- Only you can do the study - Part 3 &#124; My Etherealmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One Certification Matters - Experience Less So of this article can be found [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Opinion:Certification Matters -Part 2- Knowledge or Experience - Which is more valuable ? &#124; My Etherealmind</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/opinion-why-certification-matters-experience-less-so/comment-page-1/#comment-1574</link>
		<dc:creator>Opinion:Certification Matters -Part 2- Knowledge or Experience - Which is more valuable ? &#124; My Etherealmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my first post Opinion: Certification Matters - Experience Less So - Part 1 I started a series of posts about certification. In the comments on the post, &#8220;Dedan&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Greg Ferro</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/opinion-why-certification-matters-experience-less-so/comment-page-1/#comment-1571</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Ferro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry about Jeff, he is always like that. :-) Thanks for your comment, I think it might make a good post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t worry about Jeff, he is always like that. <img src='http://etherealmind.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks for your comment, I think it might make a good post.</p>
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		<title>By: Weekend Update &#171; CCIE Trek</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/opinion-why-certification-matters-experience-less-so/comment-page-1/#comment-1569</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekend Update &#171; CCIE Trek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Greg at Ethereal Mind posted an interesting article about certifications vs. experience at Ethereal Mind. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Darcy</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/opinion-why-certification-matters-experience-less-so/comment-page-1/#comment-1563</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Darcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Won&#039;t take a test&quot;?  It&#039;s not just a matter of walking in and sitting down, as you well know.  Some people really do have better things to do than study the vendor-specific questions that will appear on any vendor-administered test, not to mention the $315 written and $1400 lab fees, even if they know ten times more than the test requires in some areas.  I&#039;m not saying that experience is the only metric or that certification is completely worthless, but the whole thesis of this thread seems to be the equally silly and offensive converse of that.  Ignoring experience to filter resumes by letter groupings is insane.  It&#039;s a good way to fill your team with people whose knowledge and strengths are redundant instead of complementing one another, and that&#039;s not likely to be a very effective team.

Of course people who have paper but not experience will preach about the paper&#039;s value.  Not only do they not want to feel like suckers for having made that expenditure, but they have a vested interest in promoting the brand that it represents.  When I see someone with some actual credibility touting the value of vendor certification (MS pulls the same stunt and I&#039;ll bet you guys don&#039;t feel *their* certifications trump experience) I&#039;ll let you know.  Don&#039;t wait up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Won’t take a test”?  It’s not just a matter of walking in and sitting down, as you well know.  Some people really do have better things to do than study the vendor-specific questions that will appear on any vendor-administered test, not to mention the $315 written and $1400 lab fees, even if they know ten times more than the test requires in some areas.  I’m not saying that experience is the only metric or that certification is completely worthless, but the whole thesis of this thread seems to be the equally silly and offensive converse of that.  Ignoring experience to filter resumes by letter groupings is insane.  It’s a good way to fill your team with people whose knowledge and strengths are redundant instead of complementing one another, and that’s not likely to be a very effective team.</p>
<p>Of course people who have paper but not experience will preach about the paper’s value.  Not only do they not want to feel like suckers for having made that expenditure, but they have a vested interest in promoting the brand that it represents.  When I see someone with some actual credibility touting the value of vendor certification (MS pulls the same stunt and I’ll bet you guys don’t feel *their* certifications trump experience) I’ll let you know.  Don’t wait up.</p>
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		<title>By: Dedan</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/opinion-why-certification-matters-experience-less-so/comment-page-1/#comment-1562</link>
		<dc:creator>Dedan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>forgive any misspellings, I used my phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>forgive any misspellings, I used my phone.</p>
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