Comments on: Designer or Engineer, Artist or Painter http://etherealmind.com/network-designer-engineer-artist-painter/ Network design, architecture, thinking, working. Tech. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:43:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: steve http://etherealmind.com/network-designer-engineer-artist-painter/#comment-1656 steve Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:27:18 +0000 http://etherealmind.com/?p=1385#comment-1656 I can't think of an instance where you can separate design from engineering, at least where quality is concerned. An engineer must know debugs and traces within the context of the network design. I have to know what traffic behavior is expected to recognize a deviation in that behavior. Similarly, if I don't possess solid engineering skills, I cannot perform needs analysis and generate config and test plans for a network tech to execute. Anything less is an account manager, someone who has a copy of Visio and thinks putting shapes on a sheet with connector lines equals "preliminary design". I can’t think of an instance where you can separate design from engineering, at least where quality is concerned. An engineer must know debugs and traces within the context of the network design. I have to know what traffic behavior is expected to recognize a deviation in that behavior. Similarly, if I don’t possess solid engineering skills, I cannot perform needs analysis and generate config and test plans for a network tech to execute. Anything less is an account manager, someone who has a copy of Visio and thinks putting shapes on a sheet with connector lines equals “preliminary design”.

]]> By: Greg Ferro http://etherealmind.com/network-designer-engineer-artist-painter/#comment-1655 Greg Ferro Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:46:32 +0000 http://etherealmind.com/?p=1385#comment-1655 I think that some people want to create, and other people want to build. It's not a progression but a choice that people make. Creative skills are rare in the IT industry, and thus good designers / writer / communicators are hard to find, and lead to higher pay rates. Not because they are better, just because their skill set is harder to find. I think that some people want to create, and other people want to build. It’s not a progression but a choice that people make.

Creative skills are rare in the IT industry, and thus good designers / writer / communicators are hard to find, and lead to higher pay rates. Not because they are better, just because their skill set is harder to find.

]]> By: rodney http://etherealmind.com/network-designer-engineer-artist-painter/#comment-1654 rodney Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:55:31 +0000 http://etherealmind.com/?p=1385#comment-1654 So do you think that move from engeering to design is a progresstion, like the move from being a painter to a artist? So do you think that move from engeering to design is a progresstion, like the move from being a painter to a artist?

]]> By: Greg Ferro http://etherealmind.com/network-designer-engineer-artist-painter/#comment-1653 Greg Ferro Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:47:40 +0000 http://etherealmind.com/?p=1385#comment-1653 Wherein lies the difference between art and engineering. Art is creative and non-deterministic, Engineering is directed and linear. And like Art, the communication is a large part of process. Getting your art recognised requires influence, communication, relationships to get people to "see" your vision. Lots of similarities really. Wherein lies the difference between art and engineering. Art is creative and non-deterministic, Engineering is directed and linear. And like Art, the communication is a large part of process. Getting your art recognised requires influence, communication, relationships to get people to “see” your vision.

Lots of similarities really.

]]> By: Justin Wilson http://etherealmind.com/network-designer-engineer-artist-painter/#comment-1652 Justin Wilson Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:30:49 +0000 http://etherealmind.com/?p=1385#comment-1652 Design is also somewhat of a Philosophy. There are certain accepted practices but there is alot of room to interpret how things should be done. You get two Engineers in the same room and ask them to come up with a design and you might see two different ways of accomplishing the same thing. I think designers have become somewhat defensive about a network because they have to continually defend their decisions. Not only to Peers (read any forum that asks for help), but to management who really doesn't understand. Design is also somewhat of a Philosophy. There are certain accepted practices but there is alot of room to interpret how things should be done. You get two Engineers in the same room and ask them to come up with a design and you might see two different ways of accomplishing the same thing. I think designers have become somewhat defensive about a network because they have to continually defend their decisions. Not only to Peers (read any forum that asks for help), but to management who really doesn’t understand.

]]> By: Are Cisco Blogs Really So Rare? | JamesCrossman.com http://etherealmind.com/network-designer-engineer-artist-painter/#comment-1651 Are Cisco Blogs Really So Rare? | JamesCrossman.com Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:02:12 +0000 http://etherealmind.com/?p=1385#comment-1651 [...] systems. As a result, as much as he occasionally dips into the lower levels of the ISO model, he also writes about the rest of what it is like to be a network architect and designer. It is a site that is worth a [...] [...] systems. As a result, as much as he occasionally dips into the lower levels of the ISO model, he also writes about the rest of what it is like to be a network architect and designer. It is a site that is worth a [...]

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