Comments on: Musing: On Permananent and Ephemeral Knowledge and Exam Study http://etherealmind.com/musing-on-permanent-ephemeral-knowledge-learning-ccie-methods-tips-techniques/ Network design, architecture, thinking, working. Tech. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:43:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Greg Ferro http://etherealmind.com/musing-on-permanent-ephemeral-knowledge-learning-ccie-methods-tips-techniques/#comment-2103 Greg Ferro Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:39:49 +0000 http://etherealmind.com/?p=247#comment-2103 Daniel Yes, that's true. But perhaps preparation is different today. There is so much quality documentation available that it might not apply. Resources from INE or IPX make it easier to plan and comprehend the process today but I believe that the greatest value of the certification process is in the what, why and how. What = things that you memorise, why = the design purpose or function of a technology and how = ability to research and learn. Your actual expertise on configuration is a byproduct of learning, it's not the *purpose* of it. Perhaps the emphasis needs to be on memorising the core topics, and comprehension of key technologies. Many people do that by simply bashing their way through hundreds of hours of labs and eventually learning everything they need to know, but I suspect it would be more efficient to do it the other way around. greg Daniel

Yes, that’s true. But perhaps preparation is different today. There is so much quality documentation available that it might not apply. Resources from INE or IPX make it easier to plan and comprehend the process today but I believe that the greatest value of the certification process is in the what, why and how. What = things that you memorise, why = the design purpose or function of a technology and how = ability to research and learn.

Your actual expertise on configuration is a byproduct of learning, it’s not the *purpose* of it.

Perhaps the emphasis needs to be on memorising the core topics, and comprehension of key technologies. Many people do that by simply bashing their way through hundreds of hours of labs and eventually learning everything they need to know, but I suspect it would be more efficient to do it the other way around.

greg

]]> By: Daniel http://etherealmind.com/musing-on-permanent-ephemeral-knowledge-learning-ccie-methods-tips-techniques/#comment-2102 Daniel Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:17:53 +0000 http://etherealmind.com/?p=247#comment-2102 Very nice post Greg. We that work with technology (and want progress in career/learning) have to read a lot. I whonder what other jobs need to read the same amount that we do, maybe doctors? A lot of people focus too much on ephemeral knowledge and only learn how to configure things. If you understand the concepts of RIB and FIB and adjacency table and CEF, learning a new vendor won't be much of a hassle. Did you really read one hour for every hour you labbed for the CCIE? I'm trying to do more reading than most people do for the CCIE, 230 hours studied for written but I think I will probably need 750-1000 hours configuring to be prepared for lab. Of course I will do some reading (RFCs etc) when studying for the lab but 1:1 ratio will be difficult. Very nice post Greg. We that work with technology (and want progress in career/learning) have to read a lot. I whonder what other jobs need to read the same amount that we do, maybe doctors? A lot of people focus too much on ephemeral knowledge and only learn how to configure things. If you understand the concepts of RIB and FIB and adjacency table and CEF, learning a new vendor won’t be much of a hassle.

Did you really read one hour for every hour you labbed for the CCIE? I’m trying to do more reading than most people do for the CCIE, 230 hours studied for written but I think I will probably need 750-1000 hours configuring to be prepared for lab. Of course I will do some reading (RFCs etc) when studying for the lab but 1:1 ratio will be difficult.

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