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		<title>By: Enterprise Storage Strategies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enterprise Storage Strategies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;SSPs, cloud storage providers, and internal clouds: Zebras, Giraffes, and Horses...&lt;/strong&gt;

My youngest daughter used to have trouble with her animals. Whenever she saw a giraffe, she would say...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>SSPs, cloud storage providers, and internal clouds: Zebras, Giraffes, and Horses&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>My youngest daughter used to have trouble with her animals. Whenever she saw a giraffe, she would say&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mrz</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When building out a second cage last year in San Jose, it was actually more cost effective to do 10GE cross-connects vs. 16 1GE (8 per switch) between two floors.  That included optics, line cards and CRG&#039;s cross-connect charges.

In designing the network for Mozilla&#039;s new data center build (http://blog.mozilla.com/mrz/2010/01/04/mozillas-new-phoenix-data-center/) we opted for all 10GE (fiber) at the core and as downlinks to the access layers (Cisco&#039;s 3120X CBS).  We felt it simplified wiring and added some future-proof to the design and except for the optics themselves, wasn&#039;t significantly more expensive (and what difference there was erased itself with the reduction of cross-connects needed for same capacity).  

I also changed our IP transit requirements - at a minimum I require anyone wanting to sell my IP transit to deliver 2x10GE handoffs and only bought hardware to support 10GE handoffs (Mozilla hardly pushes more than 3-4Gbps across a number of peers).  Turns out this too is cost effective now.

We looked at Cisco but only focused on the C6500 - Nexus didn&#039;t make sense for the price.  The core in Phoenix is all Juniper.  Had I really wanted to shave costs, I would have looked at Force10.  

So to your point, 10GE is here for Mozilla.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When building out a second cage last year in San Jose, it was actually more cost effective to do 10GE cross-connects vs. 16 1GE (8 per switch) between two floors.  That included optics, line cards and CRG&#8217;s cross-connect charges.</p>
<p>In designing the network for Mozilla&#8217;s new data center build (<a href="http://blog.mozilla.com/mrz/2010/01/04/mozillas-new-phoenix-data-center/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.mozilla.com/mrz/2010/01/04/mozillas-new-phoenix-data-center/</a>) we opted for all 10GE (fiber) at the core and as downlinks to the access layers (Cisco&#8217;s 3120X CBS).  We felt it simplified wiring and added some future-proof to the design and except for the optics themselves, wasn&#8217;t significantly more expensive (and what difference there was erased itself with the reduction of cross-connects needed for same capacity).  </p>
<p>I also changed our IP transit requirements &#8211; at a minimum I require anyone wanting to sell my IP transit to deliver 2x10GE handoffs and only bought hardware to support 10GE handoffs (Mozilla hardly pushes more than 3-4Gbps across a number of peers).  Turns out this too is cost effective now.</p>
<p>We looked at Cisco but only focused on the C6500 &#8211; Nexus didn&#8217;t make sense for the price.  The core in Phoenix is all Juniper.  Had I really wanted to shave costs, I would have looked at Force10.  </p>
<p>So to your point, 10GE is here for Mozilla.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Ferro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Ferro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that copper might nearly be over. The rising price of the raw copper, and the dropping price in fibre optic manufacturing, means that we are approaching cost parity in the data centre on a per metre basis. The cost of terminating fibre is still higher than copper, those little plugs are hard to do. 

It&#039;s too early to predict the end of the copper, but I can see some of the signs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that copper might nearly be over. The rising price of the raw copper, and the dropping price in fibre optic manufacturing, means that we are approaching cost parity in the data centre on a per metre basis. The cost of terminating fibre is still higher than copper, those little plugs are hard to do. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s too early to predict the end of the copper, but I can see some of the signs.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well put!

We have been using 10Gbe (fiber) at the core and core and distribution layers for about a year now. We even went as far as to run CAT6A to the desktop because the historical network refresh cycles (particularly concerning cabling) of our organization have been extremly long.

It seems that 10Gbe over copper is even less mature than 10Gbe over fiber. We found that our network vendor (HP) has a cable length limitation of 15 meters when using CX4 cables. This would fit our current facility, however with expansion to a larger facility distance concerns pushed us to stick with fiber connections for the time being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well put!</p>
<p>We have been using 10Gbe (fiber) at the core and core and distribution layers for about a year now. We even went as far as to run CAT6A to the desktop because the historical network refresh cycles (particularly concerning cabling) of our organization have been extremly long.</p>
<p>It seems that 10Gbe over copper is even less mature than 10Gbe over fiber. We found that our network vendor (HP) has a cable length limitation of 15 meters when using CX4 cables. This would fit our current facility, however with expansion to a larger facility distance concerns pushed us to stick with fiber connections for the time being.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Ferro</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/is-this-year-of-10-gig-ethernet/#comment-1663</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Ferro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a typical cognitive dissonance. You THINK Storage is really important because you hear a lot about it. Storage is still a small business, and still in it&#039;s technology growth stage and this means that a lot money is spent on marketing.  All technologies go through this in the early stages. 

A biggish storage network might have a couple of hundred ports. Compare this with a Data Centre that has thousands, or a campus that has tens of thousands and you should have some idea of scale. 

I agree the iSCSI will feed heavily on the perception of improved throughput of 10GbE, however, it&#039;s not a huge driver because of the cost of 10GbE switches and NICs.

And yes, Infiniband is the REAL deal. Current 10Gb virtualisation technologies will take two or three years to catch up with Infiniband of today. But convincing people to buy Infiniband.... that&#039;s hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a typical cognitive dissonance. You THINK Storage is really important because you hear a lot about it. Storage is still a small business, and still in it&#8217;s technology growth stage and this means that a lot money is spent on marketing.  All technologies go through this in the early stages. </p>
<p>A biggish storage network might have a couple of hundred ports. Compare this with a Data Centre that has thousands, or a campus that has tens of thousands and you should have some idea of scale. </p>
<p>I agree the iSCSI will feed heavily on the perception of improved throughput of 10GbE, however, it&#8217;s not a huge driver because of the cost of 10GbE switches and NICs.</p>
<p>And yes, Infiniband is the REAL deal. Current 10Gb virtualisation technologies will take two or three years to catch up with Infiniband of today. But convincing people to buy Infiniband&#8230;. that&#8217;s hard.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Simmons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the use of 10GbE for computer networking is somewhat limited, but I wouldn&#039;t call ethernet-based storage a niche market. 10GbE is the driving force behind people being convinced that 4Gb FC is pokey. 

10Gb iSCSI is a formidable option, particularly if the 10Gb switch ports are backward compatible to existing adapter speeds. Of course, even if that&#039;s the case, the infiniband people still scoff. &quot;Only 10Gb/s? Here&#039;s a nickel. Buy yourself a REAL storage network&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the use of 10GbE for computer networking is somewhat limited, but I wouldn&#8217;t call ethernet-based storage a niche market. 10GbE is the driving force behind people being convinced that 4Gb FC is pokey. </p>
<p>10Gb iSCSI is a formidable option, particularly if the 10Gb switch ports are backward compatible to existing adapter speeds. Of course, even if that&#8217;s the case, the infiniband people still scoff. &#8220;Only 10Gb/s? Here&#8217;s a nickel. Buy yourself a REAL storage network&#8221;.</p>
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