Rant: Hey Cisco – Your Website Still Blows

I don’t always get to use my own computer. And Corporate Desktops don’t let you change your settings. I had to use someone else’s Windows computer today to look up Cisco’s websites.

AHHHAHAAAHAHH MY eyes.

Look, I get that Uncle John wants us to use the web site so he makes more profits (read: lower support costs if customers do it themselves), which isn’t a bad idea since most of us know what we want anyway and don’t particularly want anyone else to help us out. And Cisco has tried to produce a lot of documentation – its a big part of our relationship. So there is lots of good content there and I spend a lot of time looking at the site. But lets keep it working. We need to put engineers back in charge of the design and ditch the bloody hipsters who are trying to be as offensive as possible – obviously their mothers hated them because they seem to need a lot of attention.

Safari history

The Pustule of Filth Toolbar

I truly loathe the stupid toolbar in the bottom corner that sucks up screen real estate, slows down my page load, flashes in a most irritating manner every time I page up / down. Cisco toolbar pants. One thing I noticed is that it seems much worse on Windows than my OSX. How do people handle it.

At least, Give me an option to turn visual blight this off. Truly, I don’t care if there are features in there, just turn it off.

Make the JAVA download / basket an OPTION

The latest feature is that stupid download basket. What’s the thinking there ? Who needs to download more than one image at a time ? And in the last ten times that I tried to use it, it didn’t work say, seven out of ten. I always end up using the FTP download.

Let’s go back to FTP version. The Java idea is trash. Everyone hates Java. We hate Java anything and think you are fools for trying to fix something that wasn’t broken. Let the idiots turn on the Java downloader if they want to. Engineers know that Java is not to be trusted, and will let you donw in a critical situation. Happened to me today when I could not download an image because Java client

Thanks. Customer is mega upset as well. Don’t mention it.

Bloody Feedback

Bloody feedback rubbish

On a bad day, I can read a couple of hundred pages at cisco.com. Why oh why does this stupid feedback block keep appearing. Can’t this be turned off ? Are you really that hard up for profits that you expect your customers to write (see the cisco wiki) AND EDIT the documentation ? Put some of those sixty five percent profit margins into reading it yourself.

Fat Footer

Cisco fat footer

Why is the footer so large ? What’s the point of this ? At least, put a redacted version in the documentation pages so it removes the noise. Remember, I’ve already paid a fortune for this documentation, I don’t expect to see an advertisement on every page.

Cheesy Porn Star Blogs

I hate the “cheesy porn star” header on the blog header. It’s so “hipster” and the colours are offensive. Worse still, it’s a standardised marketing theme – they used derivative of it at Networkers for the stage backdrop. For reference, YES we had wallpaper on our kitchen in the seventies that looked exactly like this.

Cisco Blog cheesy porn look

To the Marketing heads: It’s not cool, it makes you look desperate for attention. Yeah, that’s my personal opinion. You’re welcome.

I could go on and on

Look, there are parts of the website that are better. And even recently, some performance boosts and slightly better looking. But, get some engineers in the room and they will tell you what needs to change. The Technical pages need to be COMPLETELY stripped down with no rubbish, marketing or other wankery.

Keep it real.

Out.

About Greg Ferro

Greg Ferro is a Network Engineer/Architect, mostly focussed on Data Centre, Security Infrastructure, and recently Virtualization. He has over 20 years in IT, in wide range of employers working as a freelance consultant including Finance, Service Providers and Online Companies. He is CCIE#6920 and has a few ideas about the world, but not enough to really count.

He is a host on the Packet Pushers Podcast, blogger at EtherealMind.com and on Twitter @etherealmind and Google Plus

  • Peter

    I couldn’t agree more! In my opinion a website should be fast and easy to navigate. No fancy pop-ups or dynamic toolbars. I wouldn’t mind filling out a survey every now and then but you just stop paying attention to the feedback block. I’ve got a feeling that there are too many bits and pieces that are not designed to work together as a whole. Working with Cisco is one thing. Working with cisco.com is another…

    It would be nice to see them turn their site into a more usable site.

  • Minimal

    It’s sad that as a leading networking giant cisco.com is one of the slowest most cumbersome websites to use and navigate. Is cisco.com sitting behind a T1? cisco.com should be split up into two distinct sites, flashy-sales-corporate-speak.cisco.com and i-need-to-get-work-done.cisco.com. Completely separate teams on completely separate server farms. The only two recent pluses from the last few years is that search has gotten better and their newer PDF docs are better formatted and easier to read.

  • ty_a

    I find it nearly impossible to navigate the site for anything. It also seems like half of the links are dead. It’s so disgusting, I try to avoid *.cisco.com at all costs.

  • Pete D

    Just a comment on the download basket. I am a voice engineer, and I find it useful to be able to download firmware for several different kinds of phones at once. Other than that I agree 100% with your post.

  • pgalligan

    Perhaps we should use the feedback block, every one of us, to tell Cisco how badly their website sucks. It used to be good. Simple, fast, east to navigate. Not any more

  • Chuck

    The toolbar and download basket are a nuisance but my biggest complaint is the speed of the site. It took nearly 20 minutes for me to populate the Compare Images form on the Cisco Feature Navigator yesterday, knowing exactly what values I wanted for each field, but having to wait for a reload/refresh after every selection. I do occasionally use the functionality of the download basket, but I would gladly give it up and manually download a dozen images at a time if it wasn’t such a pain to navigate between products in the download site.

    • Pete D

      “The toolbar and download basket are a nuisance but my biggest complaint is the speed of the site.”

      The dynamic/multiline config tools are the worst offenders here. Some days even building a simple router takes 15 minutes.

  • Chris

    Amen, I couldn’t agree more.

    http://support.cisco.com will take you right to the Support and Documentation area, lessening some of the pain……

    I just noticed that VMware.com shares some of the same annoyances.

  • Johan

    Could not agree more. I still miss the old http://www.cisco.com/univercd/ style of looking at docs, it was quick and easy.
    The new “improved” site is slow as molasses and drenched in flash.
    You can no longer simply wget your IOS images.

    I’ve ranted and raved at the account manager, but it won’t help of course.

  • Nathan

    Another commet on the download basket. I find downloading mutliple images usefull when working on new implementations; implemantations where there are many network devices of different models.

    Other than that, navigating the site is a pain. the search capabilities are crap as well.

  • http://blogs.cisco.com/webexperience/ Martin Hardee

    OK, itís me again.

    Greg, we can always count on your honest and thoughtful feedback, and I know that you know we appreciate it and you usually have some pretty good points. Let me give everyone a little background and updates on the items above:

    ‘THE …. [$%^$#@] …. TOOLBAR’:

    *BREAKING NEWS*: We are removing the toolbar forever in mid April. [You heard it here first on EtherealMind.] In the meantime, you can collapse the toolbar by clicking on that arrow and it will go away until you delete your cookies. Itís a long story about why it took a while to rip it out of the web site, but suffice it to say that web sites can be complicated underneath. Iíll blog about the toolbar story sometime in the future.

    ìMAKE THE JAVA DOWNLOAD / BASKET AN OPTIONî:

    Maybe this isnít obvious enough, but there *is* an option for you to choose a non-Java download as your default. This was a feature that our download team introduced in October, but if youíre quick at the trigger when downloading, itís easy to miss the new option. Hereís a blog entry I just posted calling attention to the non-Java option: http://blogs.cisco.com/webexperience/downloading-carts-and-java/

    (As a couple of commenters here have mentioned, many people do have a need to download multiple images at once, and the cart functionality saves them lots of extra clicks and time. But weíre embarking on some new improvements to the download flow, so if anyone here would like to participate in early tests or give other feedback, leave feedback at the blog URL above.

    ìBLOODY FEEDBACKî:

    OK, on this, hereís the thing: We actually get a lot of very useful feedback through this box and it helps improve Cisco technical documentation. Itís not just typos or small errors that we find ñ but also insights into what people consider confusing. That kind of insight is hard for a proofreader or reviewer to reproduce ñ even if theyíre an expert, they donít have the context you might in your environment doing real jobs under deadline. When something is wrong or confusing, our writing teams file bugs and fix the doc, based on the feedback we get in these comment boxes. Does everyone here feel the same way about the comment boxes? (Are they an annoyance, and is there anything we could do to make them less annoying?)

    ìFAT FOOTERî:

    You *may* have a point on this, but people use it. The links here are not intended as ads, but as a final ìsafety netî for people who land into the middle of the site and are confused by what they see on the page. They get a fair amount of use across the site, so that tells me that theyíre pretty useful at least to someone.

    Hereís a question for folks here: Do you dislike the idea of the footer itself, or what happens to be in the list on support-related pages? What ideal set of convenient links would you place here, if you could

    ëCH33SY PR0N ST*R BLOGSí:

    The ìtinesî are a design element that will ebb and flow over time. Yes, you have seen them in some of the Cisco Live banners and materials. Donít worry, we donít spend too much time or money on them ñ we invest a lot more attention into things like documentation, downloads and search. Not sure what more to say about this one, but the designers upstairs really enjoy your blog.

    ìI COULD GO ON AND ONî:

    Itís helpful when you do. That goes for everyone here. Even if you canít write as artfully as Greg, we really appreciate the feedback you provide to Cisco.com. Itís a pretty big web site to get right and there are lot of loyal visitors to serve, so that means a lot of distractions to us as weíre running things. Keep letting us know your priorities and weíll keep working hard to deliver. (We read all of the comments you send us via the comment link at the bottom of the pages, BTW.)

    And, thanks to everyone who noticed:

    - Search improvements including the quick links under products
    - Performance tuning (yes, I note the tools items above and will follow up with the right teams)
    - Better PDF formatting
    - All of the scads of documentation on the site

    Thanks,

    Martin Hardee
    Cisco.com team

  • Mike

    Yea I don’t think its that bad. You could make similar rash judgements about any website really. Toughen up princess.

  • http://www.mostlynetworks.com Scott McDermott

    It seems to me that the toolbar is a much bigger issue for international users than those in the states. I’m a whopping 2ms away and I haven’t had any issue with it on my desktop since I minimized it. It definitely has more impact when I’m on a higher latency link. It’s also really annoying on my Android phone, since it appears in the middle of whatever I’m trying to read. I’ll be glad to see it gone. It was an interesting idea, but not actually useful.

    I don’t care about headers and footers. I generally ignore them. That said, smaller is better.

    I’ve always thought the feedback bar was mildly annoying, but most support sites have something like that and I’m not put out over it. At least it’s not a pop-up.

    I’m pretty happy with the technical documentation side of the site.

    Here’s my personal rants:

    I DON’T WANT TO CHAT LIVE WITH A REPRESENTATIVE. I’ve clicked “no” on that stupid pop-up so many times. I hate those pop-ups. I find those offensive. I wouldn’t mind if it only came up once, but I’m tired of seeing it.

    The top menu bar UI… Too big, too much mouse accuracy required on the off chance I want to look at the consumer or home products (easy to slide off the bottom of the menu and have it close). Giant pictures of products. I’m not a big fan of fancy scripted menus. vmware.com is a bit simpler and something like that might be better if you could keep the menu from closing when the mouse pointer slides off it.

    When you go to a particular product line (ie. routers), there’s several tabs. Not a big fan of the layout, but I can tolerate it if expanding the featured products sections (ie. branch) wasn’t a slow and annoying animation. Just make it pop into existence. I don’t need to see it slide down in all it’s fancyness.

    I think there’s too much technology for technology’s sake in the website. Make the site clean, fast, and informative. It doesn’t need to be fancy.

    • http://blogs.cisco.com/webexperience/ Martin Hardee

      Hi Scott, let me take a couple of those…

      CHAT LADY. These chat windows should only pop up once per session if you dismiss one. We have seen some bugs on this where they are popping up more frequently or on every page load. Can you leave a comment on my Cisco blog (http://blogs.cisco.com/webexperience/death-ofby-toolbar/) with your email? I’ll have our team follow up with you. We’d really like to nail this bug.

      TOP MENU SIZE: I agree and it is on our list to make this smaller. The design and interaction tested very well with folks at Cisco Live last year, and people are definitely using the menus to move around the site more quickly. But I agree they don’t need to be so large. There are also some hover behaviors that we’re working to fine tune. And, of course, you can still click directly on the items like “Products & Services” or “Support” to go right to those landing pages.

      EXPANDING FEATURED PRODUCT “DRAWERS”: We’ll look at the timing on these. I tend to agree with your assessment on the animation timing. Also, we’re doing some work on these pages to make the All Products listing more obvious and to make the tabbed load faster. I’ll be writing about these soon.

      I will say we try to be pretty conservative about flashy technology on the site (toolbar notwithstanding), compared to some others. On a big site, gratuitous use of technology does creep in, though, and my colleagues and I are on a mission to simplify as much as possible.

      • http://www.mostlynetworks.com Scott McDermott

        As far as I’m concerned, seeing the chat lady once per session is too much. That means I might see her a couple times a day. I don’t want to see her at all. I find those incredibly annoying.

        Also, I just wanted to add that despite the annoyances (mostly on the marketing portions of the site) the site is incredibly useful. I spend a lot of time there and it is a critical tool for my job. If I didn’t spend so much time on the Cisco site, most of these annoyances wouldn’t turn into rants.

        I’m also glad to see the two way feedback loop and appreciate that.

        • http://blogs.cisco.com/webexperience/ Martin Hardee

          Thanks again on this one. I had a quick session with the person in charge of the chat lady and we think we figured out one thing that may be making her more pop in to visit more than she should. Stay tuned.

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    • http://blogs.cisco.com/webexperience/ Martin Hardee

      God bless them. And, I will note that we, too, endeavor to make Cisco.com highly searchable by Google, Bing and the other search engines. We actually spend a lot of effort on this, so let us know if you ever have finding anything on Cisco.com via Google. (Again, via that Feedback link at the bottom of the page.)

      - Martin Hardee,
      Cisco.com team (on vacation but still reading this blog.)

      • http://blogs.cisco.com/webexperience/ Martin Hardee

        P.S. This comment in on Michael McNamara’s trackback below.

  • http://unroutable.blogspot.com jswan

    I will take the contrary position on the feedback box. I have used it multiple times to complain about errors or otherwise broken documentation, and every time I have gotten an email back with a fix (sometimes not the right fix… but that’s another story).

    I generally agree with the other comments. Some of my other pet peeves that haven’t been mentioned:

    1) I use the http://www.cisco.com/go/whatever shortcuts all the time. Some of them have been working inconsistently lately, apparently due to something involving SSL redirects.

    2) Having video-only information on a page, with no text equivalent. I HATE HATE HATE this.

    3) Not having the MD5 hash for software available on the page from which it is actually downloaded. Hopefully I’m not the only person in the universe who actually checks MD5 hashes, but I have a hard time remembering to copy the hash to a text file before I get to the actual download page.

    • http://blogs.cisco.com/webexperience/ Martin Hardee

      COMMENTS ON DOCS

      Thanks for the comments on the comments. Glad they’re working for you and I passed on your comments to the docs teams! BTW, they say if a fix isn’t right, definitely let them know and they’ll correct it.

      /GO REDIRECTS:

      On the /go redirects, if you see this again, can you send us a comment via the Feedback link at the bottom of the pages? That will help us change it down. I will also investigate to make sure that this isn’t a systemic issue that somebody knows about and is working on.

      VIDEO ONLY INFO

      While I don’t personally control all of the content on the web site, I can help evangelize this. In the spirit of Claude Shannon, we are actually building a recommendation into our training for people who plan and write content: If you do video, do it as a redundant channel, not the *only* channel of information. This is another one where you can help — when you encounter this problem, shoot us a comment via the feedback link; you don’t even have to be too polite about these

      • MikeInSeoul

        I made a similar comment on the Web Experience blog regarding the MD5 checksums. No response yet, but I’m glad to see someone else noticing the same issue.

  • http://Jeffsaidso.com Jeff Allen

    Disclaimer: I work for Cisco
    I won’t disagree that we could use some improvement on the website front. However, one small counterpoint is that Google.com also duplicates links on the sides of any search along with links at the top of the page. I don’t see this as a bad thing and can make it easier to get to once you are searched from something.

  • Jason

    Actually, compared to the site a few years ago, I think it’s improved enormously. When I first started using it the first ten results were for the same document in ten different languages then you got the second doc in ten different languages; it was particularly annoying if it thought the ‘most relevant’ results were the release notes instead of the config guides you were actually looking for.

    What I would like to see is a filter on software version – for example, if I want a config guide for the ASA v8.3, I’d like to be able to specify version 8.3 so that I don’t get all the previous versions. Similarly, if I need one for a PIX running 6.3, I don’t have to go to page 4 before all the ASA/PIX 7.x docs run out.

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  • http://blogs.cisco.com/webexperience/ Martin Hardee

    I posted a little background on the unfortunate story of the toolbar, at: http://blogs.cisco.com/webexperience/toolbar-cautionary-tale-for-fellow-webmasters/

    All, please keep the feedback coming.

  • http://blogs.cisco.com/webexperience/ Martin Hardee

    For completeness, I’ll note that we have removed the much-cursed toolbar on Cisco.com.

    http://blogs.cisco.com/webexperience/toolbar-cautionary-tale-for-fellow-webmasters/

    We are working on much of the other stuff above, too. But keep the comments coming.

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