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	<title>Comments on: Blessay:Cisco UCS Really Is Just Blade Servers With Fancy NICs &amp; A Response to HP Network Ambition</title>
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		<title>By: Greg Ferro</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/cisco-ucs-really-blade-server-fancy-nic/#comment-966</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Ferro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the FibreChannel is a pile of crud, and putting it over ethernet is double crud. The idea of intelligent network fabrics (which is what fibrechannel does) that somehow morph or munge the data flow has never been successful and it&#039;s unlikely to start now. 

The rise of iSCSI and is NAS implementations clearly shows that FC/FCoE does not have a long term future and acts only as a transition mechanism for legacy FC-attached storage</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the FibreChannel is a pile of crud, and putting it over ethernet is double crud. The idea of intelligent network fabrics (which is what fibrechannel does) that somehow morph or munge the data flow has never been successful and it&#8217;s unlikely to start now. </p>
<p>The rise of iSCSI and is NAS implementations clearly shows that FC/FCoE does not have a long term future and acts only as a transition mechanism for legacy FC-attached storage</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/cisco-ucs-really-blade-server-fancy-nic/#comment-965</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree with your thought that FCoE should be based on IP. I think Cisco have it correct, make it as simple as possible. IP is required for crossing networks and getting from end to end. However, FCoE is targeted at SANs and therefore will always be switched within a network.

For your regular network communication, the fabric will support traditional TCP/IP traffic. Also, there is nothing to indicate that FCoE is going to be transient. It will become a standardized protocol and 10GBoC will proliferate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with your thought that FCoE should be based on IP. I think Cisco have it correct, make it as simple as possible. IP is required for crossing networks and getting from end to end. However, FCoE is targeted at SANs and therefore will always be switched within a network.</p>
<p>For your regular network communication, the fabric will support traditional TCP/IP traffic. Also, there is nothing to indicate that FCoE is going to be transient. It will become a standardized protocol and 10GBoC will proliferate.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Ferro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Ferro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep. Read it, reviewed it (somewhere on this site),  thought about it. Haven&#039;t changed my mind. 

There is nothing revolutionary about UCS, more like a very small step in evolution for virtualization. I do not miss that Cisco needed to do something unusual to penetrate an (otherwise) closed market, specifically, the marketing needed to have a narrative that could transcend the noise from IBM /HP /Dell, and this is the result. But doing some fancy silicon tricks and closed form packaging is not a benefit. 

I retain an open mind. Today, the system is unusable except for niche use cases, and the wider market has no interest in cloud computing. 

A a result, UCS boils down to server with a fancy NIC. There is no change to Windows/Linux, no change to Intel architecture, no change to anything, but a bit of silicon in the gear box. 

YAWN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep. Read it, reviewed it (somewhere on this site),  thought about it. Haven&#8217;t changed my mind. </p>
<p>There is nothing revolutionary about UCS, more like a very small step in evolution for virtualization. I do not miss that Cisco needed to do something unusual to penetrate an (otherwise) closed market, specifically, the marketing needed to have a narrative that could transcend the noise from IBM /HP /Dell, and this is the result. But doing some fancy silicon tricks and closed form packaging is not a benefit. </p>
<p>I retain an open mind. Today, the system is unusable except for niche use cases, and the wider market has no interest in cloud computing. </p>
<p>A a result, UCS boils down to server with a fancy NIC. There is no change to Windows/Linux, no change to Intel architecture, no change to anything, but a bit of silicon in the gear box. </p>
<p>YAWN.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodos</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/cisco-ucs-really-blade-server-fancy-nic/#comment-963</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well as Omar has responded not sure what point there is having little ole me writing something but what the heck.

I think you have missed quite a bit of the details around what UCS does as well as how it compares to the competitors. To compare them both you are going to have to go a bit deeper than you have gone. However I understand that often in a blog post this is not the purpose.

UCS is a lot more than a fancy NIC, its the far beyond that with abstraction at a large scale. You can do some of this with Virtual Connect but you need extra sauce to do it outside of chassis. 

UCS breaks the mold in quite a few other areas, I would suggest you have bit more of a dig. If you are keen, grab a copy of the California book. 

Having played with the kit for the last few weeks I can attest that its a lot more than smoke, and it has not caught on fire yet.

Cheers

Rodos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well as Omar has responded not sure what point there is having little ole me writing something but what the heck.</p>
<p>I think you have missed quite a bit of the details around what UCS does as well as how it compares to the competitors. To compare them both you are going to have to go a bit deeper than you have gone. However I understand that often in a blog post this is not the purpose.</p>
<p>UCS is a lot more than a fancy NIC, its the far beyond that with abstraction at a large scale. You can do some of this with Virtual Connect but you need extra sauce to do it outside of chassis. </p>
<p>UCS breaks the mold in quite a few other areas, I would suggest you have bit more of a dig. If you are keen, grab a copy of the California book. </p>
<p>Having played with the kit for the last few weeks I can attest that its a lot more than smoke, and it has not caught on fire yet.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Rodos</p>
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		<title>By: Omar Sultan</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/cisco-ucs-really-blade-server-fancy-nic/#comment-962</link>
		<dc:creator>Omar Sultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg:

So, I think the other differentiator for the UCS is the ability to manage it more holistically--more comprehensively  and in a way that is more virtualization aware than currently possible with other solutions.  I know there is not a whole lot of detail about UCSM right now, but I did a couple of recent blog posts on this and I promise more detail is shortly forthcoming.

On a totally different topic, being the &quot;official FCoE standard bearer&quot; :), I know we have agreed to disagree on the FCoE front, but I am curious--what would you need to see in the industry (beyond final FCoE and DCB standards) or our approach to change your mind about FCoE having some legs.

Regards,

Omar Sultan
Cisco</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg:</p>
<p>So, I think the other differentiator for the UCS is the ability to manage it more holistically&#8211;more comprehensively  and in a way that is more virtualization aware than currently possible with other solutions.  I know there is not a whole lot of detail about UCSM right now, but I did a couple of recent blog posts on this and I promise more detail is shortly forthcoming.</p>
<p>On a totally different topic, being the &#8220;official FCoE standard bearer&#8221; <img src='http://etherealmind.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> , I know we have agreed to disagree on the FCoE front, but I am curious&#8211;what would you need to see in the industry (beyond final FCoE and DCB standards) or our approach to change your mind about FCoE having some legs.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Omar Sultan<br />
Cisco</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Ferro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Ferro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmmm, doesn&#039;t leave much room for discussion. Indeed I have read the design docs, and reviewed much of the marketing material available. However, I am not a true believer in FCoE. In many aspects I am a Ciscotist, but the Data Centre strategy built around FCoE is transient and probably not a happy long term strategy. 

I can certainly see the value of the Network Fabric concept espoused in UCS, but currently think it should be based on IP, not Ethernet. Intelligent comment welcomed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmmm, doesn&#8217;t leave much room for discussion. Indeed I have read the design docs, and reviewed much of the marketing material available. However, I am not a true believer in FCoE. In many aspects I am a Ciscotist, but the Data Centre strategy built around FCoE is transient and probably not a happy long term strategy. </p>
<p>I can certainly see the value of the Network Fabric concept espoused in UCS, but currently think it should be based on IP, not Ethernet. Intelligent comment welcomed!</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/cisco-ucs-really-blade-server-fancy-nic/#comment-960</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re an idiot. Go back and read the design docs instead of making a moronic statement after reading a one page press summary. Jags like you should keep on doing it the old way and when what little credibilty you have is in the cr-pper we welcome you to join the rest of the engineering crowd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re an idiot. Go back and read the design docs instead of making a moronic statement after reading a one page press summary. Jags like you should keep on doing it the old way and when what little credibilty you have is in the cr-pper we welcome you to join the rest of the engineering crowd</p>
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