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	<title>Comments on: Notes on Cisco Catalyst 6500 Architecture. (Or What Does 720 in Supervisor 720 Mean ?)</title>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/cisco-supervisor-720-why-architecture-performance/#comment-4642</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 07:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot to mention that 40Gbps per slot is the Half-Duplex speed.  Its Full-Duplex speed is 80Gbps 40Gbps in + 40Gbps out of the slot.  That means the sup720 is 360Gbps + 360Gbps or 720Gbps.

Also the Sup2T supports 80Gbps per slot and supports dual channel on every slot in the 6513.  That Half-Duplex on the slot again for a total of 160Gbps per slot or 2080Gbps where they get the 2T.

Why the marketing folks list the speed of the slot in Half-Duplex is odd given their willingness to jump at any reason to publish a bigger number but I suspect changing their ways might result in some serious backlash as &quot;its how they have done it for years&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot to mention that 40Gbps per slot is the Half-Duplex speed.  Its Full-Duplex speed is 80Gbps 40Gbps in + 40Gbps out of the slot.  That means the sup720 is 360Gbps + 360Gbps or 720Gbps.</p>
<p>Also the Sup2T supports 80Gbps per slot and supports dual channel on every slot in the 6513.  That Half-Duplex on the slot again for a total of 160Gbps per slot or 2080Gbps where they get the 2T.</p>
<p>Why the marketing folks list the speed of the slot in Half-Duplex is odd given their willingness to jump at any reason to publish a bigger number but I suspect changing their ways might result in some serious backlash as &#8220;its how they have done it for years&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Catalyst 6500 Information &#124; AlwaysTheNetwork</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/cisco-supervisor-720-why-architecture-performance/#comment-1762</link>
		<dc:creator>Catalyst 6500 Information &#124; AlwaysTheNetwork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 20:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Great overview from Etherealmind [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Gigabit Converter</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/cisco-supervisor-720-why-architecture-performance/#comment-1761</link>
		<dc:creator>Gigabit Converter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a great to know about how cisco catalyst works, but it would have been better if you have explained for what and why it is used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a great to know about how cisco catalyst works, but it would have been better if you have explained for what and why it is used.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Ferro</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/cisco-supervisor-720-why-architecture-performance/#comment-1760</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Ferro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 09:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I remember, The C6513 was a popular choice in the early days of IP Telephony (now Unified Communications) because you needed slots for DSP banks for Transcoding and Gateways function as well as a lot of WS-X6148 modules for high density floors. At that time, the 256Gbps Fabric was new and exciting and the WS-C65xx modules were very expensive. Since the WS-65xx could only use one backplane channel at 8Gbps, the C6513 backplane looked like a good idea at the time. 

That&#039;s the way the marketing moves sometimes. If you give the customers what they ask for, you might regret it later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I remember, The C6513 was a popular choice in the early days of IP Telephony (now Unified Communications) because you needed slots for DSP banks for Transcoding and Gateways function as well as a lot of WS-X6148 modules for high density floors. At that time, the 256Gbps Fabric was new and exciting and the WS-C65xx modules were very expensive. Since the WS-65xx could only use one backplane channel at 8Gbps, the C6513 backplane looked like a good idea at the time. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the way the marketing moves sometimes. If you give the customers what they ask for, you might regret it later.</p>
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		<title>By: 6513 - worst product possible</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/cisco-supervisor-720-why-architecture-performance/#comment-1759</link>
		<dc:creator>6513 - worst product possible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>every time i have had conversations with people about 6513s, I always tell them to avoid it like the plague.  Of the dozens I have encountered it has always been to remove them in place of 6509s or 6506s so that any card could go anywhere.  So many customers are sold on the density but don&#039;t realize the limitations.  Cisco shouldn&#039;t even sell this atrocity, they have been talking about fixing it for years but with the nexus 7ks it will never happen.  At least the 7010 and 7018 have the same capacity in every slot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>every time i have had conversations with people about 6513s, I always tell them to avoid it like the plague.  Of the dozens I have encountered it has always been to remove them in place of 6509s or 6506s so that any card could go anywhere.  So many customers are sold on the density but don&#8217;t realize the limitations.  Cisco shouldn&#8217;t even sell this atrocity, they have been talking about fixing it for years but with the nexus 7ks it will never happen.  At least the 7010 and 7018 have the same capacity in every slot.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/cisco-supervisor-720-why-architecture-performance/#comment-1758</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry forgot to mention , you can also search 2005 networkers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry forgot to mention , you can also search 2005 networkers</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/cisco-supervisor-720-why-architecture-performance/#comment-1757</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google &quot;Cisco Catalyst 6500 Switch Architecture.ppt&quot;

These images are from a Power Point that Cisco distributes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google &#8220;Cisco Catalyst 6500 Switch Architecture.ppt&#8221;</p>
<p>These images are from a Power Point that Cisco distributes</p>
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		<title>By: News &#8211; February 8, 2010 &#124; xcke's blog</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/cisco-supervisor-720-why-architecture-performance/#comment-1756</link>
		<dc:creator>News &#8211; February 8, 2010 &#124; xcke's blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Notes on Cisco Catalyst 6500 Architecture. (Or What Does 720 in Supervisor 720 Mean ?) [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 01:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any chance you could do the same analysis on their 7600 chassis and it&#039;s SIPs, SPAs and hot tubs ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any chance you could do the same analysis on their 7600 chassis and it&#8217;s SIPs, SPAs and hot tubs <img src='http://etherealmind.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/cisco-supervisor-720-why-architecture-performance/#comment-1754</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff, Greg.  I&#039;ve never really dealt with 6513s that much, but, when I have seen them, they&#039;ve always been populated below the Sup.  This explains why.  :)

I always had a dislike for the stating of bandwidth as the sum of input and output.  Yes, the port/interface/module/yourmama can handle that much traffic at once, but, in a lot of situations, I&#039;m only interested in sending traffic from A to B, so I only care about one direction for the most part.

Thanks for the info, Greg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff, Greg.  I&#8217;ve never really dealt with 6513s that much, but, when I have seen them, they&#8217;ve always been populated below the Sup.  This explains why.  <img src='http://etherealmind.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I always had a dislike for the stating of bandwidth as the sum of input and output.  Yes, the port/interface/module/yourmama can handle that much traffic at once, but, in a lot of situations, I&#8217;m only interested in sending traffic from A to B, so I only care about one direction for the most part.</p>
<p>Thanks for the info, Greg.</p>
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		<title>By: Marko Milivojevic</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/cisco-supervisor-720-why-architecture-performance/#comment-1753</link>
		<dc:creator>Marko Milivojevic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since they sell 4x10GE line card as not oversubscribed, I can only assume it&#039;s 20+20.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since they sell 4x10GE line card as not oversubscribed, I can only assume it&#8217;s 20+20.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Pepelnjak</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/cisco-supervisor-720-why-architecture-performance/#comment-1752</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Pepelnjak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you! Very clear and illustrative ;) I&#039;m assuming when you talk about 20 Gbps connections, they are really 10 Gbps (in+out)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! Very clear and illustrative <img src='http://etherealmind.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;m assuming when you talk about 20 Gbps connections, they are really 10 Gbps (in+out)?</p>
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		<title>By: mrz</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/cisco-supervisor-720-why-architecture-performance/#comment-1751</link>
		<dc:creator>mrz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cisco was less forthcoming about this or at least on this level of detail when we built out our Phoenix location.

Like you said in your observations, this does &quot;outline some of the issues that a Data Centre designer needs to understand&quot; and is what drove us over to Juniper for Phoenix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cisco was less forthcoming about this or at least on this level of detail when we built out our Phoenix location.</p>
<p>Like you said in your observations, this does &#8220;outline some of the issues that a Data Centre designer needs to understand&#8221; and is what drove us over to Juniper for Phoenix.</p>
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		<title>By: RenÈ Jorissen</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/cisco-supervisor-720-why-architecture-performance/#comment-1750</link>
		<dc:creator>RenÈ Jorissen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clear and to the point. Nice article!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clear and to the point. Nice article!!</p>
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