2 September 2010

What Is a ‘Free’ Or ‘Unattached’ CCIE Number or Status ?


Cisco Partner Status

A Cisco Partner is required to have a certain numbers of Cisco certified individuals, this includes CCIE, CCNP, CCNA, Sales Associates and so on. Its a very good system that ensures that a partner has enough people to correctly sell and support Cisco products.

The exact details of the requirements change reasonably often, but the main one for us, is that a large Cisco partners must have a certain number of CCIE’s.

The Partner status is associated with purchasing power with Cisco so it is really important for the Partner to maintain that status.

Recruitment Hassles

Over the years, there have been shortages in CCIE numbers and partners were tempted to ‘poach’ certified CCIE from other partners. The problem was that a company might have committed a lot of money, time and support to that candidate, only to watch them walk out the door. (Or maybe they didn’t, but they certainly don’t want to lose their CCIE’s).

Queue the business people moaning about loyalty and overpaid technical staff (while conveniently not noticing how much they were getting paid).

Keep in mind that ‘making’ a CCIE® usually takes two to three , and only one in twenty people who start, actually even get to attempting the exam (my guesstimates) much less pass the CCIE lab exam.

Second, it became a game of musical chairs with a escalation in money and bonuses to attract scarce candidates. This was fine for CCIE® people in the early days, but the cost quickly became unviable and a new system came into play.

There might also have been some unscrupulous activity to impact a competitor by ‘stealing’ their people so they couldn’t make the required numbers with Cisco.

Status Transfer

The basic idea is that once someone joins a company, you get a request to “attach” to the Partner CCO. Your certification status is then added to the reseller.

If you leave that Partner for another Partner, your status does not transfer for some time, typically between six months to a year. This allows the company you left enough time to train or recruit someone without losing status.

The new Partner does receive the benefit of your certification for six months to a year and thus their Cisco status cannot be improved by poaching from other companies.

Cisco also made a commitment to Partners not to recruit their technical staff unless the person can gain permission.

Free Agents

Free Agents are those individuals who don’t work for Cisco Partners. They work at End-User sites, as freelance / contract, or possibly Cisco themselves and their certification is not linked to any Cisco Partners.

This means that they can count immediately towards a Cisco Partners certification status, or can be recruited by Cisco. I have heard other terms for this e.g. unattached badge, free badge, open status. Cisco has a policy of not recruiting from partners – if you want a job with Cisco, don’t work for a reseller.

Recruiters like Free Agents

For very large Cisco partners, your status isn’t particularly important as they have so many people it doesn’t much matter. But for smaller Partners it certainly does. So if your status is attached, you are less attractive as an employee. And getting permission from your boss to get an open transfer to go to a competitor doesn’t happen too often.

A recruiter wants to make money by placing you into a job. They are more likely to make money with free agents for Cisco Partners as they are, in general terms, more desirable.

Conclusion

When you are looking for new jobs, make sure you understand your value in the marketplace. A Free Agent CCIE can reasonably ask for more money, and expect to get it.

This is only one feature of your suitability for job though, consider other skills like communication and business nous as well.

Let me know if anything isn’t clear. I will try to clarify.

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About Greg Ferro
Greg is a Network and Security Architect / Designer / Engineer working freelance in the UK and worked for Resellers, DotCom's, Large Corporate's and Service Providers across a variety of products & Vendors. He prefers to work for end users, believes in the life cycle, total cost of ownership and that near enough is often good enough. He likes talking about himself in the first person to feel "royal", even when hosting the Packet Pushers Podcast on Data Networking. More about Greg at http://etherealmind.com/who-am-i/ and you can follow him on Twitter.

Comments

  1. Rick says:

    Hi,

    I’m a new ccie.
    I work for a large cisco partner but had to pay for the exam myself.

    Is there a way to stop my company from associating my ccie status to them?
    I’m thinking of doing this just in case I need to leave the company soon, that way I can have an “Unattached CCIE Status”.

    • Greg Ferro says:

      Cisco will update your login name to show your CCIE status. If your CCO login is already linked to the company account, then I think they will automatically have your status transferred.

      Normally, when you join a company they will add you to their account, and Cisco sends you an email for confirmation. I think its possible that wouldn’t happen if you Cisco login is already linked to the partner.

  2. Kumar says:

    Hi Greg Ferro ,

    I am working with Cisco partner; My Company has attached my CCIE number.
    Promise made was good appraisal and sponsorship of my exam, which they never fulfilled so far (probably they might NOT do).
    I came to know that if I quit the company, I can not attach my CCIE number with any other partners for 6 months where no other partners will agree.
    Should I wait for 12 months or is there any way around ?

  3. wrong@wrong says:

    I work for Cisco and was recruited from a partner.

    • Greg Ferro says:

      Then no one objected. Or the partner had enough CCIE’s (or too many). Or the partner was happy to see you go. It’s all part of the business arrangement and there are no rules.

  4. Sunny says:

    Hi,
    does anybody know what’s the detailed benefit for a company to attach CCIEs to their companys CCO?

  5. Rehen says:

    Hello,

    I work for CISCO Premier partner and they donot require CCIE for premier partnership, i have also attached my ID to them, but if i had to leave company, can i unattach ID, as i think its not the requirement for Premieir Partner.

    • Greg Ferro says:

      I’m not completely sure what would happen in this case. A CCIE-certified employee still counts towards their accreditation, and I think you would be ‘attached’ for purposes of moving to another reseller.

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