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		<title>By: More racks from InternetExpert - better time slots &#124; My Etherealmind</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/ccie-security-training-material/#comment-533</link>
		<dc:creator>More racks from InternetExpert - better time slots &#124; My Etherealmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] quaint, focussing on customers. It was only a few weeks ago that I blogged about &#8220;Purchasing Security Study Material&#8221; and pointed out that rack lab times where not well timed for my lifestyle.  &#8220;Around [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] quaint, focussing on customers. It was only a few weeks ago that I blogged about &#8220;Purchasing Security Study Material&#8221; and pointed out that rack lab times where not well timed for my lifestyle.  &#8220;Around [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/ccie-security-training-material/#comment-532</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m working my way through the CCIE Security written exam right now and I&#039;m wondering the same thing.  I pretty much have it nailed down to either IP Expert or InternetworkExpert.  If I decide to do a boot camp I&#039;ll go with the latter as I&#039;m UK based but I think the IP Expert workbooks look like they tie in better with the Proctor Labs setup so I&#039;ll probably go for that - either way I&#039;ll get the mock labs for both as I get closer to my lab date.

Let us know what you decide and how it turns out please.

Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m working my way through the CCIE Security written exam right now and I&#8217;m wondering the same thing.  I pretty much have it nailed down to either IP Expert or InternetworkExpert.  If I decide to do a boot camp I&#8217;ll go with the latter as I&#8217;m UK based but I think the IP Expert workbooks look like they tie in better with the Proctor Labs setup so I&#8217;ll probably go for that &#8211; either way I&#8217;ll get the mock labs for both as I get closer to my lab date.</p>
<p>Let us know what you decide and how it turns out please.</p>
<p>Ian</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/ccie-security-training-material/#comment-531</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, Here is a bunch of info on emulating almost all of the Security lab. Great stuff. I my benefactor hadn&#039;t given me the full set of hardware I would likely attempt to build it like this: 

http://www.andersonalves.net/tutorials/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, Here is a bunch of info on emulating almost all of the Security lab. Great stuff. I my benefactor hadn&#8217;t given me the full set of hardware I would likely attempt to build it like this: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.andersonalves.net/tutorials/" rel="nofollow">http://www.andersonalves.net/tutorials/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/ccie-security-training-material/#comment-530</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some Rack Rental Vendors that support multiple workbook providers.

http://www.mindtechcom.com/prices.html

http://www.ccierack.com/pindex.html

http://www.gigavelocity.com/

http://www.cconlinelabs.com/rates.shtml

http://ccie2be.com/BuyRackTime.html


There are likely more now. These are the ones I found a couple of years ago. Call Internetwork Expert and see if they can do anything to work with yor timezone.

Try playing with the timezone on here as well:

http://www.internetworkexpert.com/rackcal/available_racks.php?RackType=SCRR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some Rack Rental Vendors that support multiple workbook providers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mindtechcom.com/prices.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mindtechcom.com/prices.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ccierack.com/pindex.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ccierack.com/pindex.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.gigavelocity.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gigavelocity.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cconlinelabs.com/rates.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cconlinelabs.com/rates.shtml</a></p>
<p><a href="http://ccie2be.com/BuyRackTime.html" rel="nofollow">http://ccie2be.com/BuyRackTime.html</a></p>
<p>There are likely more now. These are the ones I found a couple of years ago. Call Internetwork Expert and see if they can do anything to work with yor timezone.</p>
<p>Try playing with the timezone on here as well:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.internetworkexpert.com/rackcal/available_racks.php?RackType=SCRR" rel="nofollow">http://www.internetworkexpert.com/rackcal/available_racks.php?RackType=SCRR</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/ccie-security-training-material/#comment-529</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 01:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m studying for my Security lab at the moment. I recently did my R&amp;S IE and for that I used a mixture of training materials from different vendors. I found the variety helped as you don&#039;t get used to doing things in a vendor-specific way (question structure &amp; interpretation, diagram layouts etc). I&#039;ve started studying for my Security lab and am carrying across the same study methodology. 

From Internetwork Expert i&#039;ve gotten the Class on Demand DVD and the Volume 1 &amp; 2 labs. From IP Expert i&#039;ve gotten the lab workbook and proctor guide. I&#039;m about to hit the full blown 8 hour labs and am planning on alternating between the two vendors. IE lab one day, IP Expert the next etc. Both have quality material and if either vendor updates their content (which is likely in the near future as Cisco are set to update the Security Lab blueprint) you&#039;re guaranteed access to the updated content (minus any printing &amp; shipping fees obviously). 

Just my 2c :)

Brad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m studying for my Security lab at the moment. I recently did my R&amp;S IE and for that I used a mixture of training materials from different vendors. I found the variety helped as you don&#8217;t get used to doing things in a vendor-specific way (question structure &amp; interpretation, diagram layouts etc). I&#8217;ve started studying for my Security lab and am carrying across the same study methodology. </p>
<p>From Internetwork Expert i&#8217;ve gotten the Class on Demand DVD and the Volume 1 &amp; 2 labs. From IP Expert i&#8217;ve gotten the lab workbook and proctor guide. I&#8217;m about to hit the full blown 8 hour labs and am planning on alternating between the two vendors. IE lab one day, IP Expert the next etc. Both have quality material and if either vendor updates their content (which is likely in the near future as Cisco are set to update the Security Lab blueprint) you&#8217;re guaranteed access to the updated content (minus any printing &amp; shipping fees obviously). </p>
<p>Just my 2c <img src='http://etherealmind.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Brad</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/ccie-security-training-material/#comment-528</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are likely more now. These are the ones I found a couple of years ago. Call Internetwork Expert and see if they can do anything to work with yor timezone.

Try playing with the timezone on here as well:

http://www.internetworkexpert.com/rackcal/available_racks.php?RackType=SCRR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are likely more now. These are the ones I found a couple of years ago. Call Internetwork Expert and see if they can do anything to work with yor timezone.</p>
<p>Try playing with the timezone on here as well:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.internetworkexpert.com/rackcal/available_racks.php?RackType=SCRR" rel="nofollow">http://www.internetworkexpert.com/rackcal/available_racks.php?RackType=SCRR</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/ccie-security-training-material/#comment-527</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went through this a bit myself. There are likely more now, but here are some Rack Rental vendors that support Multiple workbook vendors. These guys seemed cheaper than the workbook vendors as well.

http://ccie2be.com/BuyRackTime.html

http://www.cconlinelabs.com/rates.shtml

http://www.gigavelocity.com/

http://www.ccierack.com/pindex.html

http://www.mindtechcom.com/prices.html

Check some of these guys out and search for any new ones. 

Also, launch the IE Rental scheduler, set your timezone, and verify the rental times to see if there is anything that might work well for you. Call IE and see if they have any plans to have a Rack with shifted hours for UK/European countries etc. Also, for me, it was best to rent the racks with 2 blocks per day. Reason being is that I get phone calls/lunch/kids etc interruptions throughout anyhow. Plus it takes quite a while to setup and work your way deep into each lab.

http://www.internetworkexpert.com/rackcal/available_racks.php?RackType=SCRR

The main issues for doing labs from a workbook seem to be precise matching physical topology, and precise IOS/FWOS/ACS versions matching the blueprint. The workbook vendors help you practice required workarounds for IOS bugs and features. Meaning, for example: DMVPN issues with EIGRP. If the rack you are using has a newer version than 12.2T  the problem doesn&#039;t show up and you will not be required to learn the workaround. 

I personally use the IE materials and have the Internetwork Expert End-to-End CCIE Security Program. Depending upon where you are in your preparation, this is a good option. IPexpert seems to have a decent program, but I reviewed a friends set of their labs and was not fond of the style in which the material walked you through the process.

The COD materials from IE are sometimes hard to watch/listen to due to lack of timed index, but overall they definately help you learn the how and why of specific features / process etc. 

Good luck, 
Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went through this a bit myself. There are likely more now, but here are some Rack Rental vendors that support Multiple workbook vendors. These guys seemed cheaper than the workbook vendors as well.</p>
<p><a href="http://ccie2be.com/BuyRackTime.html" rel="nofollow">http://ccie2be.com/BuyRackTime.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cconlinelabs.com/rates.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cconlinelabs.com/rates.shtml</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.gigavelocity.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gigavelocity.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ccierack.com/pindex.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ccierack.com/pindex.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.mindtechcom.com/prices.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mindtechcom.com/prices.html</a></p>
<p>Check some of these guys out and search for any new ones. </p>
<p>Also, launch the IE Rental scheduler, set your timezone, and verify the rental times to see if there is anything that might work well for you. Call IE and see if they have any plans to have a Rack with shifted hours for UK/European countries etc. Also, for me, it was best to rent the racks with 2 blocks per day. Reason being is that I get phone calls/lunch/kids etc interruptions throughout anyhow. Plus it takes quite a while to setup and work your way deep into each lab.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.internetworkexpert.com/rackcal/available_racks.php?RackType=SCRR" rel="nofollow">http://www.internetworkexpert.com/rackcal/available_racks.php?RackType=SCRR</a></p>
<p>The main issues for doing labs from a workbook seem to be precise matching physical topology, and precise IOS/FWOS/ACS versions matching the blueprint. The workbook vendors help you practice required workarounds for IOS bugs and features. Meaning, for example: DMVPN issues with EIGRP. If the rack you are using has a newer version than 12.2T  the problem doesn&#8217;t show up and you will not be required to learn the workaround. </p>
<p>I personally use the IE materials and have the Internetwork Expert End-to-End CCIE Security Program. Depending upon where you are in your preparation, this is a good option. IPexpert seems to have a decent program, but I reviewed a friends set of their labs and was not fond of the style in which the material walked you through the process.</p>
<p>The COD materials from IE are sometimes hard to watch/listen to due to lack of timed index, but overall they definately help you learn the how and why of specific features / process etc. </p>
<p>Good luck,<br />
Tim</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Ferro</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/ccie-security-training-material/#comment-526</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Ferro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, updated. Makes a difference to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, updated. Makes a difference to me.</p>
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		<title>By: ccielab</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/ccie-security-training-material/#comment-525</link>
		<dc:creator>ccielab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The IP Expert rack sessions are two hours ahead of the times you have stated. Im currently working on my RS with their rack rentals, and have had a few 5am starts.

The start times are 5am, 1pm and 9pm here in the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The IP Expert rack sessions are two hours ahead of the times you have stated. Im currently working on my RS with their rack rentals, and have had a few 5am starts.</p>
<p>The start times are 5am, 1pm and 9pm here in the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/ccie-security-training-material/#comment-524</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should look at other rack rental vendors and ask IE if they could setup alternate rental hours for the UK. I haven&#039;t used any other vendors, but I have heard others favorable experiences.

Here are some Rack rental vendors I discovered a while back when I was getting started on the Security track. Most of them support several different vendor workbooks. You want to make sure they have a rack that supports the physical topo of the Workbook vendor, as well as all of the CCIE Lab specs. I have noticed that some Rack Rental vendors have you doing labs on newer IOS versions. As you likely know, there are version specific configurations/bugs that are deliberately tested. That has given me fits in the past, so I recommend you avoid it. Ask if you can test drive their rack. One thing that is really important is that they give you a clean config when you start. Also, IE has a new feature that is desirable to me: Advanced Workbook Scaffolding - Save time! Load initial configs for any task. I don&#039;t think the Security track rentals are ready yet though.

 http://ccie2be.com/BuyRackTime.html

http://www.cconlinelabs.com/rates.shtml

http://www.ccierack.com/pindex.html

http://www.mindtechcom.com/prices.html
 
There are likely more these days, or you can build a hybrid dynamips/physical environment for yourself. Feel free to contact me if you want to discuss any other stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should look at other rack rental vendors and ask IE if they could setup alternate rental hours for the UK. I haven&#8217;t used any other vendors, but I have heard others favorable experiences.</p>
<p>Here are some Rack rental vendors I discovered a while back when I was getting started on the Security track. Most of them support several different vendor workbooks. You want to make sure they have a rack that supports the physical topo of the Workbook vendor, as well as all of the CCIE Lab specs. I have noticed that some Rack Rental vendors have you doing labs on newer IOS versions. As you likely know, there are version specific configurations/bugs that are deliberately tested. That has given me fits in the past, so I recommend you avoid it. Ask if you can test drive their rack. One thing that is really important is that they give you a clean config when you start. Also, IE has a new feature that is desirable to me: Advanced Workbook Scaffolding &#8211; Save time! Load initial configs for any task. I don&#8217;t think the Security track rentals are ready yet though.</p>
<p> <a href="http://ccie2be.com/BuyRackTime.html" rel="nofollow">http://ccie2be.com/BuyRackTime.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cconlinelabs.com/rates.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cconlinelabs.com/rates.shtml</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ccierack.com/pindex.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ccierack.com/pindex.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.mindtechcom.com/prices.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mindtechcom.com/prices.html</a></p>
<p>There are likely more these days, or you can build a hybrid dynamips/physical environment for yourself. Feel free to contact me if you want to discuss any other stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Crabbe</title>
		<link>http://etherealmind.com/ccie-security-training-material/#comment-523</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Crabbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IPExpert are doing some bootcamps in the UK - there&#039;s certainly a Voice one booked in november for London... Additionally their Blended Learning solution is currently $999 or included when you pre-book a bootcamp.

Note - I am not affiliated with them in any way, just like the look of their product and I&#039;ve just been through a similar processs for CCIE Voice materials..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IPExpert are doing some bootcamps in the UK &#8211; there&#8217;s certainly a Voice one booked in november for London&#8230; Additionally their Blended Learning solution is currently $999 or included when you pre-book a bootcamp.</p>
<p>Note &#8211; I am not affiliated with them in any way, just like the look of their product and I&#8217;ve just been through a similar processs for CCIE Voice materials..</p>
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